tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post632818670903289026..comments2023-09-05T04:09:28.653-04:00Comments on Sacred Space: Indiana Jones and the midlife questUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger244125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-24952089092346863382008-07-02T20:48:00.000-04:002008-07-02T20:48:00.000-04:00Danbo: I wasn't the one making such claims did I? ...Danbo: I wasn't the one making such claims did I? Last time I've checked the onus is on the person who makes claims to back them up.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-79556002724928210652008-07-02T19:12:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:12:00.000-04:00Izzie wrote, "How do you know that?You offer no ex...Izzie wrote, "How do you know that?<BR/><BR/>You offer no explanations for your statements."<BR/><BR/>Nor do you, Izzie.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-9345272251471203232008-07-02T15:01:00.000-04:002008-07-02T15:01:00.000-04:00"God operates on His terms, not on human terms. He..."God operates on His terms, not on human terms. He is in control, not you. All your human logic, reasoning, deductions, mathematics, theorems, razors, wagers and what not hold no sway in God’s spiritual realm."<BR/><BR/>How do you <B>know</B> that?<BR/><BR/>You offer no explanations for your statements.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-78713502028310933852008-07-02T14:30:00.000-04:002008-07-02T14:30:00.000-04:00Have you experienced God yet? When you’ve experien...Have you experienced God yet? When you’ve experienced God, let those of us who believe know. Then we can all have some meaningful discussions in this blog.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, all you have to remember is this: <BR/><BR/>God operates on His terms, not on human terms. He is in control, not you. All your human logic, reasoning, deductions, mathematics, theorems, razors, wagers and what not hold no sway in God’s spiritual realm. God doesn’t use them to reach us. <BR/><BR/>Your human arguments, no matter how hard you humanly labor to construct them, will never keep us from personally experiencing God. He doesn't require direct observation to be seen, heard and understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-40056965576223924182008-07-02T13:26:00.000-04:002008-07-02T13:26:00.000-04:00Anonymous: "God doesn’t use them to reach us."So p...Anonymous: "God doesn’t use them to reach us."<BR/><BR/>So please explain (with some facts) how do you <B>know</B> that?<BR/><BR/>How are we sure you are not making things up? Can you show the difference between this and things just plainly made up? If you can't provide real evidence then why claim you know?Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-86994236139048337532008-07-02T13:18:00.000-04:002008-07-02T13:18:00.000-04:00Anonymous: You repeat same old yet again provide n...Anonymous: You repeat same old yet again provide no evidence to support your claims. The "when you experience God let us know" is especially lame as you are actually blaming the victim because your so called God doesn't make itself known to people.<BR/><BR/>Again, it is not "human logic" it is just logic. It is nothing special that would apply to humans only. Just like 1+1=2 is not "human math".Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-62617027500120340842008-07-02T13:09:00.000-04:002008-07-02T13:09:00.000-04:00No, you still can't get it right.For one thing, it...No, you still can't get it right.<BR/><BR/>For one thing, it isn't my Bible. It's God's Bible.<BR/><BR/>Second, Do the world's Muslims believe in God? Do the world's Jews believe in God? Do other religions believe in deities supreme beings? Darn tootin' they do. And it makes no difference if their God isn't a mirror match to mine. They believe. I believe. You don't. You lose.<BR/><BR/>God operates on His terms, not on human terms. He is in control, not you. All your human logic, reasoning, deductions, mathematics, theorems, razors, wagers and what not hold no sway in God’s spiritual realm. God doesn’t use them to reach us. Your human arguments, no matter how hard you humanly labor to construct them, will never keep us from personally experiencing God. He doesn't require direct observation to be seen, heard and understood. Therefore your attempts to dissuade us – or whatever it is you hope to accomplish here – with human logic is absurd.<BR/><BR/>When you’ve experienced God, let us know. Then we can all have some meaningful discussions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-36696026164032697332008-07-01T16:10:00.000-04:002008-07-01T16:10:00.000-04:00anonymous: "God doesn’t use them to reach us."Or i...anonymous: "God doesn’t use them to reach us."<BR/><BR/>Or in other words you are clueless and just believe what you are told and require no evidence or reasoning. Shame you don't apply the same "reasoning" to the rest of your life.<BR/><BR/>Yes many believe in different gods and things. That alone should be enough for you to see that at maximum one is right and if you deduct correctly it is more reasonable to assume no one is right there.<BR/><BR/>Even if 90% of human population would believe (and does not) in any sort of god it wouldn't be any evidence. As stated people once believed Earth was flat with much greater passion then now yet they were wrong. They've burnt people at the stake that were right. Danbo's church has great historical practice with that. And he continues to try to hush down reason in similar fashion as his church once burnt books that didn't agree with their claims. Talibans did the same when they've ruled.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-70538112945829222702008-07-01T15:51:00.000-04:002008-07-01T15:51:00.000-04:00Deja vu?Deja vu?Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-48139425966839328952008-07-01T15:01:00.000-04:002008-07-01T15:01:00.000-04:00No, you still can't get it right.For one thing, it...No, you still can't get it right.<BR/><BR/>For one thing, it isn't my Bible. It's God's Bible.<BR/><BR/>Second, Do the world's Muslims believe in God? Do the world's Jews believe in God? Do other religions believe in deities supreme beings? Darn tootin' they do. And it makes no difference if their God isn't a mirror match to mine. They believe. I believe. You don't. You lose.<BR/><BR/>God operates on His terms, not on human terms. He is in control, not you. All your human logic, reasoning, deductions, mathematics, theorems, razors, wagers and what not hold no sway in God’s spiritual realm. God doesn’t use them to reach us. Your human arguments, no matter how hard you humanly labor to construct them, will never keep us from personally experiencing God. He doesn't require direct observation to be seen, heard and understood. Therefore your attempts to dissuade us – or whatever it is you hope to accomplish here – with human logic is absurd.<BR/><BR/>When you’ve experienced God, let us know. Then we can all have some meaningful discussions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-81198356087685150842008-07-01T13:24:00.000-04:002008-07-01T13:24:00.000-04:00Danbo: Still doesn't make it false statement. It d...Danbo: Still doesn't make it false statement. It does say circle, doesn't it? (Yes even in Hebrew there is a word for sphere.)Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-46957097998906481902008-07-01T12:55:00.000-04:002008-07-01T12:55:00.000-04:00Iztok drones on, "Your Bible still says it is circ...Iztok drones on, "Your Bible still says it is circle vs. sphere anyway."<BR/><BR/>More regurgitated claptrap from the atheists' playbook. Not an original thought between them all.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-60817077050437035642008-07-01T12:40:00.000-04:002008-07-01T12:40:00.000-04:00Anonymois: "God is a fact to me and nine out of te...Anonymois: "God is a fact to me and nine out of ten others."<BR/><BR/>So? This supposed to be some evidence? Your numbers are valid only in US. As far rest of the world more people disagree with you on your religious belief then agree. In either case it does not constitute any evidence. Based on that "fact" our planet was flat once. (Your Bible still says it is circle vs. sphere anyway.)Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-75672587516935790492008-07-01T09:30:00.000-04:002008-07-01T09:30:00.000-04:00Iztok,God is a fact to me and nine out of ten othe...Iztok,<BR/><BR/>God is a fact to me and nine out of ten others.<BR/><BR/>You need to follow Jane's advice and take a break. Use it to take a good long look at God's creation.<BR/><BR/>The incongruity of your arguments is apparent to all who have found God. You have confused faith in human abilities (driving blindfolded) with faith in God. As a child of God, He had granted you the freedom to choose (i.e., to drive blindfolded), or to choose His will for you. <BR/><BR/>In this blog, you’re still trying to use a toothpick to pick apart a steak dinner. You’ve got the wrong utensil. Try faith.<BR/><BR/>God is beyond the use of your human logic (and math) to decipher, define and know. He's illogical in the sense that He doesn't use or require human logic. He's GOD, not logic!<BR/><BR/>If you have to have everything defined for you in black and white logic, you can't accept the illogical. You even have the human gall to tell other humans that their personal experience with God is invalid just because you can't physically grasp or understand it. You're human!<BR/><BR/>Despite your human shortcomings, God still loves you. If you could just let go of the logic once in awhile, you might become a much happier person with God.<BR/><BR/>And maybe you'll finally learn that this blog isn't about you, or who you are, or who I am. It's about God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-30106323962528777322008-07-01T09:27:00.000-04:002008-07-01T09:27:00.000-04:00Iztok, your very presence here, on a blog devoted ...Iztok, your very presence here, on a blog devoted to religious belief, is proof positive that you and your ilk are exactly what I said you are -- "children" holding their breath; having a tantrum until their parent (God) gives in to them and gives them what they want.<BR/><BR/>That's why you're here! Unlike the faithful, who are here to share their beliefs with others, you're here because you need an audience. A child will never throw a tantrum without an audience. No performer wants to play to an empty house.<BR/><BR/>Your need for attention is as transparent as Saran Wrap.<BR/><BR/>We all see the conflict within you. "Let go of your hate!" [Star Wars tie-in, there.]Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-40302727888824595032008-07-01T09:26:00.000-04:002008-07-01T09:26:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-64103069525937658052008-07-01T08:05:00.000-04:002008-07-01T08:05:00.000-04:00Danbo: "I didn't know a definition was, by definit...Danbo: "I didn't know a definition was, by definition, an ad hominem attack. Even if it were, that doesn't mean that it isn't factual."<BR/><BR/>No it is not factual. You know it is not and all it is it is ad hominem attack.<BR/><BR/>It is not that atheists hold their breath to get what we want. It is other way around. It is religious who try to hold on to their ideas that have no backing in reality.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: Again, you do not back up your claims with any facts. The mere fact that you are alive shows that you don't live the rest of your life in correspondence with your "thinking" presented here. If you would truly have faith you would sit behind the wheel today and drive with your eyes closed depending on faith alone. The mere fact that you don't drive with eyes closed and on faith is the fact that you truly don't have faith as you claim.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-13764803284496187732008-06-30T10:26:00.000-04:002008-06-30T10:26:00.000-04:00amen Jane and welcome backamen Jane and welcome backAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-14101566394730077272008-06-30T09:42:00.000-04:002008-06-30T09:42:00.000-04:00Iztok, I tried substituting your Invisible Pink Mo...Iztok, I tried substituting your Invisible Pink Monster and Flying Spaghetti Monster for God. They just don't fit. Obviously God is not one of your creations. <BR/><BR/>You need to work on your puzzle.<BR/>You still have it wrong.<BR/><BR/>The incongruity of your arguments is apparent to all who have found God. You’re trying to use a toothpick at a steak dinner. You’ve got the wrong utensil. Try faith.<BR/><BR/>God is beyond the use of your human logic (and math) to decipher, define and know. He's illogical in the sense that He doesn't use or require human logic. He's GOD, not logic!<BR/><BR/>You have to have everything defined for you in black and white logic. You can't accept the illogical. You even have the human gall to tell other humans that their personal experience with God is invalid just because you can't physically grasp or understand it. You're human!<BR/><BR/>Despite your human shortcomings, God still loves you. If you could just let go of the logic once in awhile, you might become a much happier person with God.<BR/><BR/>And maybe you'll finally learn that this blog isn't about you, or who you are, or who I am. It's about God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-21877998082930468342008-06-30T09:03:00.000-04:002008-06-30T09:03:00.000-04:00Iztok, are you STILL here?I didn't know a definiti...Iztok, are you STILL here?<BR/><BR/>I didn't know a definition was, by definition, an <I>ad hominem</I> attack. Even if it were, that doesn't mean that it isn't factual.<BR/><BR/>I stand by what I said.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-1355432036783032632008-06-30T08:30:00.000-04:002008-06-30T08:30:00.000-04:00Danbo: Nice ad hominem attack.No matter how long (...Danbo: Nice ad hominem attack.<BR/><BR/>No matter how long (decades or sometimes centuries RCC realizes its wrongs. Might take longer then your lifetime however: <B>Eppur si muove!</B><BR/><BR/>You can't stop knowledge by burning books anymore. (Another practice religion did well in the past.)Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-83360796801202534952008-06-30T08:23:00.000-04:002008-06-30T08:23:00.000-04:00Atheists -- The spritual equivalent of a little ch...Atheists -- The spritual equivalent of a little child holding his breath until the child gets what they want from their parents.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-67732923244834999412008-06-30T00:27:00.000-04:002008-06-30T00:27:00.000-04:00I'm back in town now and will resume posting when ...I'm back in town now and will resume posting when time and other Observer duties permit.<BR/><BR/>I'm disappointed, though not surprised, to see that personal attacks have persisted in my absence. Please stop it now. Surely we can debate ideas without insulting one another.Jane Popehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08843356888639266946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-36845596616709644092008-06-29T20:04:00.000-04:002008-06-29T20:04:00.000-04:00Anonymous: Substitute God with Invisible Pink Unic...Anonymous: Substitute God with Invisible Pink Unicorn or Flying Spaghetti Monster and tell me if still makes sense what you've wrote.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-52744351865794209482008-06-29T14:56:00.000-04:002008-06-29T14:56:00.000-04:00No, Iztok, you still have it wrong. But don’t worr...No, Iztok, you still have it wrong. But don’t worry. I have plenty of patience. <BR/><BR/>The incongruity of your arguments is apparent to all who have found God. You’re trying to use a toothpick at a steak dinner. You’ve got the wrong utensil. Try faith.<BR/><BR/>God is beyond the use of your human logic (and math) to decipher, define and know. He's illogical in the sense that He doesn't use or require human logic. He's GOD, not logic!<BR/><BR/>You have to have everything defined for you in black and white logic. You can't accept the illogical. You even have the human gall to tell other humans that their personal experience with God is invalid just because you can't physically grasp or understand it. You're human!<BR/><BR/>Despite your human shortcomings, God still loves you. If you could just let go of the logic once in awhile, you might become a much happier person with God.<BR/><BR/>And maybe you'll finally learn that this blog isn't about you, or who you are, or who I am. It's about God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com