tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post8714121851785418482..comments2023-09-05T04:09:28.653-04:00Comments on Sacred Space: Pain in the context of hopeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-17557141850799422712008-04-24T21:16:00.000-04:002008-04-24T21:16:00.000-04:00Well, some false accusations are going to be part ...Well, some false accusations are going to be part of the mix. That's true for nearly every type of crime, so accusation shouldn't mean automatic guilt. The last time that was tried en masse was with the inquisitions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-14133431588817882872008-04-24T20:22:00.000-04:002008-04-24T20:22:00.000-04:00"Last I looked, the Boy Scouts of America are a pr..."Last I looked, the Boy Scouts of America are a private organization entitled to include or exclude whomever they desire. Live with it."<BR/><BR/>I totally agree with you there. As long as they don't ask or receive any taxpayers money (including tax benefits) they can do whatever. The moment they ask for public money, they shouldn't act discriminatory anymore or they should pay money back.Iztokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990010837424705188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-55529860414791211342008-04-23T08:05:00.000-04:002008-04-23T08:05:00.000-04:00Anonymous bravely wrote, "By those looking for a "...Anonymous bravely wrote, "By those looking for a "free handout" do you mean those abused by pedophile priests or those kept as Nazi slaves?"<BR/><BR/>Neither. I am talking about greedy opportunists who like to claim they've been abused by priests -- especially if the priest is dead -- but aren't willing to step up and offer proof. Sound familiar?Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-59672828841868467412008-04-22T19:51:00.000-04:002008-04-22T19:51:00.000-04:00By those looking for a "free handout" do you mean ...By those looking for a "free handout" do you mean those abused by pedophile priests or those kept as Nazi slaves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-61940440774436729902008-04-22T14:11:00.000-04:002008-04-22T14:11:00.000-04:00JB wrongly stated, "The Roman Catholic Church's ac...JB wrongly stated, "The Roman Catholic Church's action is indefensible. No amount of money can heal the damage."<BR/><BR/>The Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with it. It's the actions of the <B>individuals</B> that are indefensible.<BR/><BR/>As for your claim of abuse, have you stepped forward with your "claims?" If not, why not? No proof? Lots of people looking for a free handout from the Roman Catholic Church these days.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-27778099230123804022008-04-22T08:13:00.000-04:002008-04-22T08:13:00.000-04:00danbo59: JB here. Yes, I have a bone or two to pic...danbo59: JB here. Yes, I have a bone or two to pick with the Catholic Church. Duh. Abuse is the main reason for my leaving the church. Enough said. Notice you didn't quibble about the content of my post? That's because it is so true. The Roman Catholic Church's action is indefensible. No amount of money can heal the damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-20368990539332123672008-04-21T20:57:00.000-04:002008-04-21T20:57:00.000-04:00Oh, I don't care about the Boy Scouts of America o...Oh, I don't care about the Boy Scouts of America or any other group of religious pedophiles.<BR/><BR/>They are more than welcome to their "private" clubs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-70999492758513977442008-04-21T10:38:00.000-04:002008-04-21T10:38:00.000-04:00jb said, "As a former Catholic...."You might as we...jb said, "As a former Catholic...."<BR/><BR/>You might as well have just completed that sentence with, "...I have a personal bone to pick with the Catholic Church."<BR/><BR/>You wouldn't be a bit biased against the Church, would you?Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-65117753217133884892008-04-21T10:35:00.000-04:002008-04-21T10:35:00.000-04:00Anonymous wrote, "We wouldn't want atheism corrupt...Anonymous wrote, "We wouldn't want atheism corrupting our youth, now would we?"<BR/><BR/>Amen. I could not have said it better myself.<BR/><BR/>Last I looked, the Boy Scouts of America are a private organization entitled to include or exclude whomever they desire. Live with it.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-63436428270958333432008-04-20T18:16:00.000-04:002008-04-20T18:16:00.000-04:00The sexual abuse of children by priests of the Cat...The sexual abuse of children by priests of the Catholic church is as old as the church itself. It's well known that you need to beware of priests. I am ashamed of the way the church handled the abuse allegations and I'm convinced the bungling of it went all the way to the top in Rome! As a former Catholic, I see Benedict's coming to America for the scam it is. Yes, yes, apologize. Make it sound sincere. Act contrite. Mea culpa. Now, will you devout Catholics please pony up your money? Donate to take care of your parish? Translation: The Catholic Church has been hit hard paying out sex abuse settlements. They need money. Scratch that, they want the money. That's the bottom line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-33663314714985846572008-04-19T21:36:00.000-04:002008-04-19T21:36:00.000-04:00I think that what's different now is that people a...I think that what's different now is that people are talking about these things more openly. It has been going on for a long time. It's just that most people weren't listening. Also, general attitudes towards abusing children and women have changed for the better. And people don't get away with quite as much just because they're religious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-51608289616017087532008-04-19T18:24:00.000-04:002008-04-19T18:24:00.000-04:00Anonymous said: "All this never happened thirty y...Anonymous said: "All this never happened thirty years ago."<BR/><BR/>Actually, most of it did... most of the allegations have come from 20 or more years ago, new allegations have actually declined dramatically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-58693766037702997402008-04-19T10:46:00.000-04:002008-04-19T10:46:00.000-04:00Well, I guess if you're going to be a habitual sin...Well, I guess if you're going to be a habitual sinner the best place to hide is with those whose profession is to forgive sinners.<BR/><BR/>I think the whole concept of sinning and getting forgiven for your sins just encourages some people to continually cause trouble. After all, they know they'll ultimately be "forgiven".<BR/><BR/>People basically reap what they sow.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and I wouldn't trust Scout Leaders because most of them are religious, too. At least those with the Boy Scouts of America are. Atheists aren't allowed last I heard. <BR/><BR/>We wouldn't want atheism corrupting our youth, now would we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-84617404083569298372008-04-18T16:01:00.000-04:002008-04-18T16:01:00.000-04:00At one time I may have attributed our behaviors to...At one time I may have attributed our behaviors to some inherent "sin" but that is too simplistic. Biological reality is much more complicated than that.<BR/><BR/>We are a highly evolved species that has the ability to make conscious choices about our behaviors and goals.<BR/><BR/>Since we evolved from other life forms that preceeded us by 100's of millions(maybe billions) of years then if we inherited some evil nature that means every organism and the very universe itself back in the mists of time was also inherently evil and that begs credulity.<BR/> <BR/>Just blaming some supernatural inherrent or corrupt nature,is just another way we make excuses and put off responsibilities for ourselves onto other so-called forces instead of owning up to making the required changes.<BR/><BR/>There are people who do evil things but that does not mean they are possesed by some evil spiritual force which manipulates them. There are also people who have mental illnesses that can cause malicious social behavior but that is a matter of brain chemistry and based on the (mis)workings of matter.<BR/><BR/>No unlike the fundamantalist I will not place this negative assertion on life and humanity. We are capable of better things and behavior than we currently display but that does not mean we are forever cursed by some supernatural flaw. Our species for all our vices has come a long way toward achieving decent livable human societies. We may have a long way to go to fine tune the rough edges but it is not hopeless unless we believe it to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-54800568342983419912008-04-18T11:08:00.000-04:002008-04-18T11:08:00.000-04:00Eclectic said..."All infantile and non-rational co...Eclectic said...<BR/>"All infantile and non-rational concepts that only produce self-repeating cycles of non-productive and destructive behavior."<BR/><BR/>Have you ever considered that perhaps our self-repeating non-productive and destructive behavior is simply reflective of the reality that we are sinful beings? <BR/><BR/>Soli Deo GloriaD.J. Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261952245281286440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-46080692377982219242008-04-18T09:20:00.000-04:002008-04-18T09:20:00.000-04:00Anonymous says, "How do you think the POPE reacts ...Anonymous says, "How do you think the POPE reacts when he see's ex- Catholics holding signs of PEDAFILE FARMS in the CHURCH and CHURCH coverups...?"<BR/><BR/>The first thing I think he'd think is '<I>Pedophile</I> is spelled <I>P-E-D-O-P-H-I-L-E</I>.'<BR/><BR/>After that, he's thinking the same thing I do -- that they have a right to be angry.<BR/><BR/>But these people should direct their anger at those <I>persons</I> responsible; not at Christ or His Church.Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-86320067545652992952008-04-18T09:07:00.000-04:002008-04-18T09:07:00.000-04:00Perhaps a major part of the problem is adherence t...Perhaps a major part of the problem is adherence to ludicrous and archaic beliefs in the first place that have instilled self fululling pathological tendencies by seeing the human body as something sinful and by re-inforcing the self-destructive myth that humans are some type of "fallen" creatures worthy of damnation. All infantile and non-rational concepts that only produce self-repeating cycles of non-productive and destructive behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-11307051482386133592008-04-18T09:00:00.000-04:002008-04-18T09:00:00.000-04:00How do you think the POPE reacts when he see's ex-...How do you think the POPE reacts when he see's ex- Catholics holding signs of PEDAFILE FARMS in the CHURCH and CHURCH coverups; All this never happened thirty years ago. Are more wolves coming in to Churches to prey on People and Children? Or maybe this has been going on for forty years and we are just now have the technology to trace it. Join me on FrontlineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-131172154553238112008-04-18T08:08:00.000-04:002008-04-18T08:08:00.000-04:00I'll give Pope Benedict some credit for at least p...I'll give Pope Benedict some credit for at least publicly acknowledging that what those priests (and those who covered for them)did was wrong. At some point you just look stupid for trying to sweep that big of a mess under the rug. <BR/><BR/>While plenty of people are predators, I haven't heard of any other organized, massive coverups of such behavior on the same scale as the pedophile priest scandal.<BR/><BR/>School districts, for example, are local and fairly limited in where they can "hide" predators, while the catholic church can relocate people across the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-49891061981198555382008-04-18T07:56:00.000-04:002008-04-18T07:56:00.000-04:00John makes excellent points. I am a staunch Catho...John makes excellent points. I am a staunch Catholic, but I still believe that the Church must pursue with equal vigor any of her Priests (Bishops, etc.) who knowingly covered up abuses. It is fair to consider that one allegation does not make one guilty, but if multiple complaints were filed against the same Priest over a period of time, especially from different parishes, then I would expect that the Bishop -- had he known -- would have acted.<BR/><BR/>Another real tragedy is that the small percentage of priests who have turned pedophile are 1) painting the majority of priests with an unfair color and 2) dissuading some of those who are called to ministry from entering the priesthood (for fear of being falsely accused or seen as a possible pedophile).Catholic101https://www.blogger.com/profile/09155134213650587054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-73915999696058243572008-04-17T22:10:00.000-04:002008-04-17T22:10:00.000-04:00The only real "professions" in your list would be ...The only real "professions" in your list would be teachers and preachers. Coaches are usually teachers. <BR/><BR/>They are all professions in which people place a lot of trust. We<BR/>just expect better of these people.<BR/><BR/>That's why their employer is mentioned. Doctors and policemen are also held to higher standards than the general population. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, this means that opportunists may flock to those professions, so we need to be aware of their misbehavior and not be so gullible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-66446481116914673422008-04-17T20:40:00.000-04:002008-04-17T20:40:00.000-04:00Another observation,The media today seems to take ...Another observation,<BR/><BR/>The media today seems to take great joy in blaming anything EXCEPT the actual offender. We blame guns, rather than the PERSON who chooses to use them to commit violent acts. In the same way, they try to condemn a church, and it's teachings and beliefs rather than the mentally disturbed individuals who committed these acts.<BR/><BR/>I ask this question, in how many other cases of sexual abuse is the offender's employer ever mentioned?<BR/><BR/>Does anyone ever report that each of the following professions have a higher rate of sexual abuse than Catholic priests (according to numerous advocacy websites):<BR/><BR/>Teachers<BR/>Coaches<BR/>Scout Leaders<BR/>Protestant Clergy<BR/>Parents<BR/>Family<BR/>Friends<BR/><BR/>It's not just a Catholic problem folks! We put more children at risk by pretending otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2954933932670299796.post-76114193299380112852008-04-17T20:30:00.000-04:002008-04-17T20:30:00.000-04:00Jane,Has anyone even considered the possibility th...Jane,<BR/><BR/>Has anyone even considered the possibility that many of these Bishops simply could not believe the accusations that were being made against men they thought they knew well?<BR/><BR/>We forget that we've heard similar stories (although with much less glee from the media) about school teachers moving from school system to school system after not only allegations, but sometimes convictions!<BR/><BR/>Truth be known, even secular corporations have to be careful before firing employees accused of sexual harrasment lest they open themselves to lawsuits!<BR/><BR/>It is a horrible situation, and one that needed to be, and was addressed. However, it's not nearly so simple and easy to deal with as the uninvolved would like us to believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com